good morning, i'm chris jansing. no clear winner from last night's debate. whether you liked him or not, vice president joe biden is the guy who's got everybody talking. democrats are claiming victory for biden who was feisty and fired up. republicans say his mannerisms were strange. touching off the debate about the debate. >> everybody thought it was a home run. what you saw was the passionate joe biden. i don't think he was over the top. i thought what you saw was joe biden's passion for these issues. he cares deeply about them. he speaks from the heart. that's what you got last night. >> when joe biden continued to interrupt paul and continued to get in his face, i think people were sort of questioning, okay, stop it for a second. let me hear what you're going to do differently, mr. vice president. >> i can't recall a time, frankly, in modern history, where the challenger for the

vice president to the vice president bested the vice president in a debate. >> biden came out swinging, even interrupting several times to make his point. >> when we look weak, our adversaries are more willing to test us, they are more brazen in our attacks. >> with all due respect, that is a bunch of mullarkey. >> paul ryan shot back, being frank about what he thought was going on. >> mr. vice president, i know you're under a lot of duress to make up lost ground, but people would be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other. >> i want to bring in nicholas kristof columnist from "the new york times." there is talk about how vice presidential debates generally don't matter, they might have been more important last night because of the bad debate the president had last week. let's gist say if the goal was that biden was, needed to fire

up the base, that maybe paul ryan was do no harm, is there a clear winner here? >> my take was i thought paul ryan did a very solid job. even on foreign affairs, which is not something he frankly knows a lot about. he was pretty solid. i do think biden, i would give it to biden on points, and he, while clearly he managed to antagonize a lot of conservatives, often he did manage to have an ability to be pretty biting and pretty sarcastic and deflating without coming across as really nasty. >> let me play a little more from paul ryan. i think probably one of his better moments. >> you see? there aren't enough rich people and small businesses to tax to pay for all their spending. so the next time you hear them say, don't worry about it, we'll get a few wealthy people to pay their fair share, watch out, middle class. the tax bill's coming to you. >> michael, what was your take

on the debate? >> i went back and read the transcript of the debate after it was over. if you go through point by point, it's amazing how often biden bests ryan on the actual merits of the policies they are talking about. i do think for the actual discussion was so complicated though, i do think a lot of people are going to take away from this debate whatever they came into the debate. it's hard to follow in realtime what they were saying about libya or tax policy. so you end up taking away the body language. whether you like joe biden or don't like joe biden and the polls show the country divided on that and people feel hot one way or the other, you would like his gesticulation. democrats needed to turn the page on the last debate with the president. take real punches at republican talking points and set the stage for obama on tuesday. the presidential debates are the

ones that people actually use to make decisions. it's not the vice presidential one. it can change a conversation and set the table for the presidential one. >> what i found interesting about this, it was substantive. i think if you really listened to what they said, and you didn't have to go back to the transcript, though i would agree there were parts that were pretty complicated. could you follow if this was your business, if you're a regular american, it might have been tougher, but you saw very clear distinctions between the policies of these two candidates and the men they were representing. yet, there is a lot of talk about the gesticulating. >> hospitals and nursing homes are going to go out of business because of this. 7.4 million seniors are projected to lose the current medicare advantage cover they have, a $3,200 benefit cut. >> that didn't happen. more people signed up.

more people signed up for medicare advantage after the change. >> this tax is a million people, a million small businesses. >> 97% of the american business, small businesses? >> taxes small businesses the greatest job creators. >> it's in spite of their opposition. >> oh, god. >> they've given 20 waivers to this sanction. >> do you think people learned something from this debate, important things or was it more about the style over substance? >> i think the debate was as illuminating and substantive as i can recall seeing. not on every issue. on some issues, on iran policy, health care, which are two of the key issues for the debate where there are real differences. i think voters would have come away seeing that a romney administration would be much more aggressive, perhaps more likely to go to war with iran, to authorize some kind of military strike if iran

continued to be spinning centrifuges. on health care, clearly a substantial difference and how they would approach medicare in the long run. both sides were spinning a lot. >> i want to bring in brent colburn. good morning to you. >> thanks for having me on. >> let me start with eric. you know him, senior advisor to the romney campaign. ryan, serious, sober, steady. biden, smirking, mocking, immature. did joe biden act appropriately last night? >> i don't know what debate eric was watching last night. for everyone else in america, they saw a different vision of both candidates. you saw from the vice president a passionate advocate, a man who had command of the facts and command of the plans the president and him have for the future of the country. you saw somebody light on

substance and wouldn't answer questions. there was a lot of mullarkey being thrown around. that is joe biden every day out on the stump. >> one of the most searched terms over the last 12 hours is mullarkey. let me read something from "the new york times." if mr. biden was sometimes openly emotional, a hot onscreen presence, mr. ryan, 27 years his junior was cooler, often coming off confident and fluent in the policy underlying his arguments." if the most important thing is people watching at home say i could see him one heart beat away from the presidency, did paul ryan accomplish that? >> i don't think he did. again, what we saw last night, what i think american voters saw last night is somebody who is thin on the issues, who is grasping at talking points, trying to go for glib answers instead of actually answering questions. paul ryan was asked if he would

support justices on the supreme court that would overturn roe versus wade this. should be a simple question. he refused to answer. things like that should put deep questions into the minds of american voters how he would handle women's health issues, the economy. i couldn't say how he would pay for the $5 trillion tax cut the republicans put forward for the wealthiest americans. one of your panelists said if you read through the transcript on issue after issue, you saw vice president biden have command of the issue. you saw an empty suit when it came to paul ryan. >> let me ask about one example where there seems to be some consensus joe biden made a misstep. it was the question about libya last night. take a listen. >> we weren't told they wanted more security. we did not know they wanted more security again. by the way, at the time, we were told exactly, we said exactly what the intelligence community told us, that they knew. >> the romney campaign released

this statement saying biden wrongly stated that the administration was not aware of requests for more security from our diplomatic facilities in libya, but we now know from the sworn testimony of two u.s. security officials who were stationed in libya, that there were repeated requests for more security in the face of rising threats. we just saw that in the hearing that was held, several fact checkers said joe biden was wrong. what happened there? >> this is an ongoing investigation in what was a tragedy for all americans, republicans and democrats. >> this isn't about the investigation as much as did you know, did the administration know there were security problems? >> let's take a step back. this is about the investigation. anyone who worked with the intelligence community, worked on international security issues like this know these investigations take time. facts come to light throughout the process. i'll tell i one thing, anybody that is out there this morning in any way implying or saying the president or vice president themselves would knowingly make

a choice that would lead to less security for our men and women overseas in the diplomatic corps or in uniform doesn't know these people and hasn't watched the last four years of their administration. joe biden is an add vvocate fore men and women in uniform. they put the security of these individuals at the top of their list every day. obviously, things went wrong. we have to dig down into the facts so it doesn't happen again. i think the vice president handled himself well on the question. >> brent colburn, thank you so much. >> if you look at the polls, foreign policy has been a strength of the administration. is libya a problem right now? >> let me defend biden on that. i don't think it was correct to say he flat-out misstated thing. he did say we didn't know and it was ambiguous. it's probably true the white house didn't know about requests

for the additional security. i think that there is a real vulnerability on libya and security there i think it's unfair. i think it's unrealistic to think the white house will be aware of security issues in a small mission, not even the capital. that's something for the ambassador deputy assistant to deal with. >> republicans think they are making ground on it, don't you think because they keep bringing it up. >> i do. i think that the administration, frankly, hasn't handled it particularly well. they come across as fudging, as weaving back and forth. i think, frankly, they do have a real weakness in they were oblivious to the rising strength. >> there was a lot of foreign

policy last night which surprised a lot of people. they were expecting more on the economy. let me play an exchange over afghanistan. >> that's the afghan responsibility. we trained them. >> not in the east. >> let's move to another war. >> not in the east? >> rc east is the most dangerous place in the world. that's why we should send americans to do the job? you would rather americans do the job? >> we are already sending americans to do the job, but fewer of them. >> that's right. we are sending more afghans to do the job. afghans to do the job. >> michael, how do you think that played? >> i thought through all the foreign policy segments, with the exception of libya which is a special case which the obama administration is clearly on defense. what came across is there is a huge difference in style and attitude how these two campaigns will approach things. when they got to the policies, the two sides are remarkably similar. the romney campaign has throughout this campaign been trying hard to make this big

contrast on foreign policy while actually keeping their policies fairly close on afghanistan, syria, on iran, to where the administration is. both sides want a withdrawal in 2014. the difference here is that the romney campaign won't call it a deadline for withdrawal, but they want to withdraw in 2014. both sides support the same set of sanctions for iran. the difference is that the romney campaign may have done something different earlier and may have gone less through the u.n. and may have been more vocal about their criticism of u.n. both have the same policy on syria. the difference is the romney campaign wouldn't have gone through the u.s., wouldn't have been more vocal and supported syrian opposition earlier. on the actual policies, i don't think romney has been able to make a big contrast. in the last debate where this will come to romney to make that contrast beyond just the rhetorical differences of style and attitude, which he's clearly trying to make. >> i would love to have you both back after that last debate. it will be fascinating to see how that plays out.

we've got that town hall style coming up next week. thank you, gentlemen. good to see you both. what did the bosses think of biden and ryan's performances? you probably guessed. anyway, here is president obama last night. >> i thought joe biden was terrific tonight. i could not be prouder of him. i thought he made a very strong case. >> as for romney, his camp says the governor called ryan and congratulated him on what he called, quote, a fantastic showing. [ male announcer ] when these come together,

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>>. >> it was a late night for fact-checkers after the heated verbal sparring between vice president biden and paul ryan. here to help us through this is eric klein.

i asked if you were up late and you were indeed. >> how did you know? >> vice president biden took issue with ryan attacking the administration not providing adequate security to protect the consulate in benghazi. >> this lecture on embassy security, the congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300 million below what we asked for. >> was the vice president right? >> mostly. what goes on in the budget is the cuts aren't apportioned out that specifically. they cut the area of the budget that has embassy security in it by an amount with average cuts across, which is what you would expect to do. you would see exactly that cut to embassy security, but it's not, as i understand this question, it is not specifically cut embassy security. he took away the money you would have used for embassy security. if he says, well, i didn't say it would be specifically embassy security, the question is where would that $300 million have gone? this has been a game ryan and

romney have been playing. they have huge cuts and don't tell you exactly where they go. if you say this is where it goes, he would say, i didn't say that. >> ryan was tripped up when questioned where is the money coming from? >> he battled here over defense spending. >> look at all the string of broken promises. if you like your health care plan you can keep it. try telling that to the 20 million people projected to learn their health care insurance if obama care goes through. >> that's taking aim at the president's health care. >> we can do that. that is not true. there is a congressional budget office report. they offered a couple of scenarios for what happened. one was 3 million more people would get health care from employers. that is what happened in massachusetts when health care went up. 3 million fewer got health care from their employers. then there is everything goes to hell and you get 20 million people fewer. that is the scenario ryan is

using there. let me make one point. paul ryan believes strongly that we should be moving far past employer-based system. i interviewed him a few years ago and his big idea that he wanted to talk to me about was getting rid of the tax preference for employer-based health care, which means millions and millions of people don't get health care through their employers. him and i happen to agree on that. we shouldn't have an employer-based health care system. this thing where suddenly he is shocked and appalled by this idea if you change the health care system at all some people might move from getting employer-based health care to shopping for it on their own with government's help. that was paul ryan's plan a couple of years ago. >> the two squared off over the controversial -- is this it? yeah, the mandate requiring free contraception coverage. >> our church should not have to sue our federal government to maintain their religious liberties. >> no religious institution, catholic or otherwise, including catholic social services,

georgetown hospital, mercy hospital, any hospital, none has to refer contraception, none has to pay for contraception, none has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide. >> it was interesting. you have two roman catholics the first time sitting there. also at a time when this whole war on women question is sort of boiling up. that sort of plays into it. truth and not so truth. >> in a way they are both right. there were suits. there was, as you remember, six months or so ago a number of catholic hospitals in particular that were very upset at a rule the administration put forward that would have pushed them to offer contraceptive coverage to the people part of their health care plan. not people coming into their hospital but employees. after negotiations they came to a compromise. it got resolved mostly to everybody's satisfaction. they are both right just talking about different times in it. whether or not paul ryan is right, you should never have a hospital have to sue to not have to do that, that's if you think

the hospital should have to provide contraceptive coverage which is beyond the fact check segment here. >> how much do you think the facts matter in a debate like this? >> i think they matter because if you get something big wrong, it begins to blow up in the next couple of days. i think they matter also because you bring new facts to light. something came up last night that hadn't been coming up. paul ryan was a major supporter of social security privatization plans almost his entire career. up till three years ago his budget had a privatization plan within it. that hasn't been part of this political campaign yet, but it's interesting to hear it come to light. conversely you hear republicans think biden got something wrong on libya where the administration never knew chris stevens wanted more security. that's getting a fact wrong and will cause problems going forward. >> ezra klein, thank you so much

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the stage has been set for next week's second presidential debate after last night's spiritual showdown that offered healthy servings of red meat to both bases. >> shouldn't be surprising for a guy who says 47% of the american people are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. >> romney is a good man. he cares about 100% of the americans this this country. with respect to that quote, i think the vice president very well knows sometimes the words

don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> i always say what i mean. soy does romney. >> let's bring in former new york congressman rick lazio and democratic strategist steve elmindore. let me read you a tweet from ezra klein. "obama looked like he didn't want to be debating romney in the first place. biden looked like he never wanted his debate with ryan to end." what did you think? >> i thought there was a huge difference in temperament. i thought paul ryan seemed vice presidential. he was serious, respectful, it temperament set the right tone. i thought vice president biden interrupted, inappropriate smiling, laughing, giggling, i thought he looked like sometimes like he was trying out for "one flew over the cuckoo's nest." it didn't seem vice

presidential. didn't seem like he hit the mark. one thing they missed. paul ryan laid out what the romney/ryan agenda would be for the future. you didn't hear anything new at all from vice president biden about what the obama administration's going to do to get down unemployment, to spark growth. all the things they've been failing at. they have laid out no vision at all to address that. >> his point was that vice president joe biden was inappropriate and insubstantial. what was your take? >> i thought he was passionate. i thought he was personal and i thought he was very substantial. i thought he really won the debate. i think that he was willing to be specific in a way paul ryan wasn't. i think paul ryan did not have an answer to the question of what's your $5 trillion tax plan, what exactly what benefits are you going to cut? what exactly are you going to do? i don't think he had an answer on afghanistan. the only thing paul ryan had a specific answer on he and romney are willing to take away a woman's right to choose.

>> if you look at what happened afterwards and hearing the talking heads this morning, democrats thought joe biden did a great job. republicans think paul ryan did a good job. if that is the perception there was no clear winner the way there was in the presidential debate and the idea was will this reset the stage for this second presidential debate does the president start this debate in a hole? >> no. i think -- this is a close race. we always thought it would be a close race. biden did a great job last night. the president admitted and people around him admitted he didn't have his best night. tuesday night he will have a much better night. you're going to see what you saw last night, which is two very different views about the future of the country, and two very different views about how they are going to move the country forward. we'll see that tuesday night. >> it's a different debate. i've done debates before. you know that the moderator can make a difference. certainly the rules can make a difference. this is a town hall style. i think that when you're answering the question from somebody in the audience, does

it make it a little harder to be aggressive? does it make it harder to target, or is this really no different? you need to get your point across and be as aggressive as you think you need to be? >> i think it is different. you need to be more conversational. the candidates need to be a little more careful about the tone they set. i think the likability factors become a tick bit more important in terms of communicating a confidence and tone where people would feel like -- >> does that favor the president? polls show people like him more. >> i think not. in the end, the point that is going to be made over and over again -- listen, growth is less this year than it was last year. growth last year was less than the year before. during the obama administration, each year growth is dropping. all the goals, all the targets that president obama has laid out in terms of growth rates,

unemployment rates, those have all fallen short by a significant amount. his 2010 budget had us growing at 4.6% this year. we'll be at 1.3% this year. today the "wall street journal" had a survey of 50 economists. they think unemployment is not going to be better six months from now than it is right now. that is a tragedy for millions of americans. the 23 million americans out of a job or can't find a job or have dropped out of the work force because this obama economy. they've begin up. >> do you think we'll hear more about the economy if these are questions for real people? this is more foreign policy than some people expected last night. we have an entire foreign policy debate coming up. is this debate going to be about the economy? >> the next debate will be domestic and about the economy. i think it is a great opportunity for obama to have a conversation with the american people and people asking him questions about what his plan is for future. i think ryan and romney, while

they talk about having a five-point plan, they are not willing to be specific. they are not willing to be specific about their $5 trillion in tax cuts and what they are going to do for the middle class. >> can i ask you both quickly, and look further ahead than tuesday night. 2016, did either of these candidates, do you think, increase their chances, maybe of running for president, if not then maybe for paul ryan in the future? >> 2016 -- i hope we don't have to talk about 2016. we have 26 more days to talk about this one and then can we take a break before we get to that? >> i think it's more like 2020 for paul ryan because i expect that mitt romney will be elected and we'll be standing again in 2016. paul ryan did help himself. he came across informed, sober, credible, wasn't flustered by biden's antics. i think that was important. i think you'll see a lot of swing voters and independent

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a spokesman is now walking back the suggestion congressman darryl isa will look into the october jobs report. here is what he said originally. >> the way it's being done with the constant revision, significant revision tells us it's not as exact a science as it needs to be. >> joining me now is rick hassen, professor of law and political science. author of the book "the voting wars." professor, good morning. >> good morning. >> as we all know, it's not just congressional republicans who questioned the jobs number. first was legendary ceo jack welch. we heard there is no basis for

these accusations, so what gives? >> i put it into a larger context of when we get into election season, people have a hard time believing things contrary to what they want. we can put this in the same category as many republicans who thought that the opinion polls which were showing obama in the lead were actually mistaken. >> it's interesting because slate, and you wrote for slate, did a poll. they asked about whether the books were cooked on the polls which showed barack obama strongly ahead. 71% of self-i.d.ed republicans and 41% of tea partiers think those polls were skewed? >> yeah. this is kind of a reverse of what we saw in 2004. that's when george w. bush was

up against john kerry. >> you're more concerned about republicans not buying into the final outcome of this election than the democrats. you write in this article, "all these conspiracy theories indicated that we are unlucky enough to have a very close election in november in which president obama ekes out a victory, we can expect republicans to question the election results, too." >> there's been this huge cry on the republican side about voter fraud and on the democratic side about voter suppression. it's what i call the voting wars. people have lost trust and confidence in even how the votes are counted. when you're on the losing end of a close election, you think there is a problem. when you're on the winning end you think they counted the votes fairly. all this churning does undermine the public's faith that the votes are going to be fairly counted. >> isn't there a difference between normal questioning and legitimate questioning, and

having those questions clearly answered, and still not accepting those answers if they are contrary to what you want to hear? >> is there a difference in that. we've seen if you polled democrats after 2004, about 22% thought the way the election was run was unfair compared to 3% of republicans. if you look at a state like washington state where they had a contested governor's race, 68% thought the way the election was run was unfair compared to 27% of democrats. it depends on who is the winner and who is the loser. we are in this atmosphere where any kind of incompetence how an election is run is made into a conspiracy theory that somebody is trying to steal the election. that's what i'm worried about. >> you made a great point in the slate article, many, but this one in particular. you believe there is serious consequences to all this because if you believe the election is illegitimate, how do you work with the other side if you think they are cooking the books? >> that's right.

it may sound trite but democracy is only as strong as our faith, that our votes will be fairly and accurately counted. where you hear results dictators get 90% or 100% of the votes, nobody believes it. we need a system where people accept the votes. it's a recipe in this partisan, polarized atmosphere for things to go wrong. >> is there anything we can do about it? >> i think is there a lot we can do about it. first thing get those partisan election officials who run our elections, get rid of them and replace them with nonpartisan officials who will have as their allegiance the integrity of the system and not one or other political party. that would be a great start. >> professor hasen, thank you for getting up early on the west coast. good night to talk to you. >> it's been a pleasure. >>. >> twitter was afire after the debate last night. one word stood out and that is,

yes, "malarkey." anybody who searched malarkey on twitter found an ad for joe biden's account at the top. the tweet of the day, "the official representative paul ryan drinking game, every time someone in the room says malarkey, you drink some water from your bottle." paul ryan had a lot toe drink last night. water, water. events right now.

bill clinton coming off a big week on the campaign trail in las vegas, arizona and california is in indianapolis right now at a grassroots event. he is scheduled to come out any minute now. among others, he is supporting congressman joe donnelley who is running for senate. we are also waiting for hillary clinton. she is having a press

availability with the italian foreign minister and might address the situation in libya that got so heated in the debate last night. we are keeping our eye on that, as well. we do have that big showdown for you. two california congressmen or california congressman howard berman and brad sherman last night. >> security guard had to step in there. in a shamt, congressman sherman said the pierce college debate was not conducted at the highest level. i regret my part in allowing emotions to distract from the exchange of views. we are still waiting for a response from congressman berman, but back to last night's debate where we have to bring you some of the real moments.

paul ryan went after joe biden on his home turf scranton, pennsylvania. >> it has never been done before. >> it's been done a couple of times, i think. jack kennedy lowered tax rates. >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan -- >> biden trying to make a moment of his own capitalizing when ryan brought up jfk. >> this is a bunch of stuff. look, here's the deal. >> what does that mean, a bunch of stuff? >> it's irish. >> we irish call it malarkey. >> it all came down to, again, stuff in this light moment. >> joe and i are from similar towns. he's from scranton, pennsylvania, i'm in james, wisconsin. you know what the unemployment is in scranton? 10%. when you guys came in it's 8.5%. >> you don't read this. that's not how it's going. it's going down.

>> look -- >> all right. you're going to hear more about the debate coming up throughout the day on msnbc. that is going to wrap up this hour of "jansing and company." i'm chris jansing. richard lui is in next. >> malarkey was my favorite. one of the top tweeted moments. >> unbelievable how much traction that got. >> have a good weekend. coming up this next hour, pardon the interruption, the vice president brings the heat with laughs, guffaws and jabs that some say in a debate too hot for congressman paul ryan. who won, who lost? joining me to talk about last night's showdown in kentucky, msnbc's melissa harris-perry, brad woodhouse and congressman charlie rangel. who told the truth and who did not? we'll do more fact checking with "the washington post" truth squad in chief glenn kessler.

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a good friday to you. topping our agenda today, light up the fuse. joe biden brings the boom to the blue grass last night and smackdowns on topics ranging from libya to abortion. vice president laughed, guffawed and brought the heat to the delight of many democrats. >> with all due respect, that's a bunch of malarkey. this is a bunch of stuff. look, here's the deal. >> what does that mean a bunch of stuff? >> it's inaccurate. >> it's irish. >> we irish call it malarkey. a guy who says 47% of the american people are unwilling to take responsibility for that. >> it's irish. >> i think biden just completely trounced him. ate him for dinner and spit him out on the table. >> i think for a lot of partisans and folks said, yeah, go get h